What do you think baseball needs to do for the next generation?
The most important thing is pace of play, and what’s best according to the analytics and the modern way of looking at the game, what’s best to give you a chance to win, is not what is best for the product. Baseball’s supposed to have a pleasing, leisurely pace. It’s not supposed to have a lethargic pace, and that’s what Manfred and company and the Players Association, if they’re enlightened about it, have to grapple with.
Here’s the kind of thing that just irks me, and it shows you football’s sway over everything. Baseball’s agreement with Fox allows league-championship games to be on Fox Sports 1. So Game Seven [of the Nation League championship] between the Brewers and the Dodgers is on FS1, which a lot of people can’t get or don’t know where to find. Game Seven.
But during the World Series, after Game Two, at Fenway Park, Joe Buck, by contract, has to go [announce] some dog-ass Thursday night [football] game, and then go to Dodger Stadium to do Game Three [of the World Series], which turns out to be an eighteen-inning classic. Game Three of the World Series. Now what does that say? That some soon-to-be-forgotten, regular-season football game in October should actually be important enough to divert the voice of the World Series from Boston to Houston before he goes to Los Angeles for Game Three. Now, I don’t care how many chartered planes are involved. I don’t care how capable Joe Buck is, and he’s very capable, and it’s amazing that he was able to do an excellent job on both and still be fresh in the eighteenth inning of a marathon game. What does this say? Subliminally—
It’s not even subliminal—
Forget about subliminally. What does it say about the power of the N.F.L. that its relatively meaningless Thursday-night game in October should get in the way of the World Series? That’s an affront to anyone’s intelligence.
Is football at a place now where its power to demand this stuff is unparalleled in the history of modern sports?
Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely. They’re unaccountable. They get their way on everything. They’re a sports juggernaut, an entertainment juggernaut, and, in some sense, a cultural juggernaut. (...)
The N.B.A. right now is in an interesting place. The ratings are obviously nowhere near football, but, generally, they’ve been really good. The impact in popular culture and the brands of these athletes seem to be through the roof. The sport has not had the scandals that football has had, and, politically, it’s got a lot of stars who seem to be outspoken without a ton of controversy, the way you see in the N.F.L. I don’t know how you feel about basketball as a sport now, but it just seems like the type of thing you’re interested in doing, which involves talking about sports but also bringing in cultural and political things sometimes. Would you fit well in the N.B.A. of 2019?
Eventually, sooner rather than later, I’ll go back to doing something that’s a hybrid of what I used to do on HBO and what I did on “Later.” And there’s always been an intersection of sports and society, sports and issues beyond the playing field. People who say otherwise are abjectly ignorant of history, going all the way back to Teddy Roosevelt and football, to Jack Johnson and the Great White Hope, to Jackie Robinson, Billie Jean King, [Tommie] Smith and [John] Carlos. You know the list. And so the idea that sports and politics do not intersect is insane. (...)
What did you think of Colin Kaepernick’s settling his lawsuit against the N.F.L.?
Some people may have misread what the settlement or the nondisclosure clause means. It does not mean that Kaepernick can’t speak out on social issues. It doesn’t mean that he can’t, if he should return to the field, take a knee if he feels like taking a knee. Unless there’s some secret clause that we as yet don’t know of, my read of it is that it’s a standard nondisclosure as to the terms of the settlement, but it certainly isn’t a gag order going forward.
Do you think it’s important that he keeps speaking out?
I think he should do whatever he feels comfortable doing, but I don’t think the following is a contradiction: you can recognize that he was interested in shining a light on an important issue, but many of his other proclamations made him a less than perfect messenger. Maybe that’s why it’s better that he’s essentially gone radio-silent, and there are images of him, and a notion of him that’s out there, that elevates him to hero status in some quarters.
But, when you look a little deeper, it doesn’t hold up as well when he says, I don’t vote, because the oppressor will never allow you to vote your way out of your oppression. So I guess it doesn’t matter to him that, when he first took a knee, Barack Obama was President, and now Donald Trump is President. If you praise Fidel Castro without reservation, or without nuance, if you wear socks that depict cops as pigs, I think you undermine your own credibility with reasonable people who are sympathetic to the issue that first brought you to public prominence. (...)
Do these things that you just brought up make you think that he should not be grouped with a number of other athletes throughout history whom you would probably think of as heroic political spokespeople?
Yeah. I was asked that when he first knelt. And I was asked about it by Michael Smerconish, going on two years ago.
Oh, God, I’m asking the same questions as Michael Smerconish.
No, it was just that one question. He asked me whether Kaepernick has gained that status, and it was in the same interview in which I said flatly it was clear that he was being blackballed. But, no, I would not put him with Muhammad Ali. I would not put him with Curt Flood. I wouldn’t put him with Arthur Ashe. I wouldn’t put him with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Did I say Billie Jean King?
No.
Yeah, I just think that, in the case of Ali or even Smith and Carlos, their impact was more profound, and I think if you talk about Ashe or Kareem or others, that they had a more sophisticated grasp of issues. And, in the case of Ali, he put so much more on the line.
Well, there’s no Vietnam War going on.
I think what Kaepernick did had a noble intent, and he deserves credit for that. I would just hesitate to elevate him into that pantheon. We have to see how this plays out, and we have to see whether he can articulate something that is more nuanced and more convincing than his original statement. If his original statement of kneeling and starting this movement is all he wants to do, then mission accomplished, and I applaud him for it. But that doesn’t mean that his every utterance is worthy of immediate agreement or everybody falling in line.
On the other hand, if any team over the last two years had signed Colin Kaepernick, although many of us would have supported that, there would have been huge outcries: “I’m burning my season tickets in front of the stadium. I’ll never go to another game. This is it. I can’t stand this. Screw him.” Yet, when domestic abusers or people with long rap sheets bounce from one team to another, there aren’t picket lines, by and large, outside the stadium. People are evidently more comfortable with literal criminals than they are with someone who protests peacefully and in a dignified way.
by Isaac Chotiner, New Yorker | Read more:
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The most important thing is pace of play, and what’s best according to the analytics and the modern way of looking at the game, what’s best to give you a chance to win, is not what is best for the product. Baseball’s supposed to have a pleasing, leisurely pace. It’s not supposed to have a lethargic pace, and that’s what Manfred and company and the Players Association, if they’re enlightened about it, have to grapple with.
Here’s the kind of thing that just irks me, and it shows you football’s sway over everything. Baseball’s agreement with Fox allows league-championship games to be on Fox Sports 1. So Game Seven [of the Nation League championship] between the Brewers and the Dodgers is on FS1, which a lot of people can’t get or don’t know where to find. Game Seven.
But during the World Series, after Game Two, at Fenway Park, Joe Buck, by contract, has to go [announce] some dog-ass Thursday night [football] game, and then go to Dodger Stadium to do Game Three [of the World Series], which turns out to be an eighteen-inning classic. Game Three of the World Series. Now what does that say? That some soon-to-be-forgotten, regular-season football game in October should actually be important enough to divert the voice of the World Series from Boston to Houston before he goes to Los Angeles for Game Three. Now, I don’t care how many chartered planes are involved. I don’t care how capable Joe Buck is, and he’s very capable, and it’s amazing that he was able to do an excellent job on both and still be fresh in the eighteenth inning of a marathon game. What does this say? Subliminally—It’s not even subliminal—
Forget about subliminally. What does it say about the power of the N.F.L. that its relatively meaningless Thursday-night game in October should get in the way of the World Series? That’s an affront to anyone’s intelligence.
Is football at a place now where its power to demand this stuff is unparalleled in the history of modern sports?
Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely. They’re unaccountable. They get their way on everything. They’re a sports juggernaut, an entertainment juggernaut, and, in some sense, a cultural juggernaut. (...)
The N.B.A. right now is in an interesting place. The ratings are obviously nowhere near football, but, generally, they’ve been really good. The impact in popular culture and the brands of these athletes seem to be through the roof. The sport has not had the scandals that football has had, and, politically, it’s got a lot of stars who seem to be outspoken without a ton of controversy, the way you see in the N.F.L. I don’t know how you feel about basketball as a sport now, but it just seems like the type of thing you’re interested in doing, which involves talking about sports but also bringing in cultural and political things sometimes. Would you fit well in the N.B.A. of 2019?
Eventually, sooner rather than later, I’ll go back to doing something that’s a hybrid of what I used to do on HBO and what I did on “Later.” And there’s always been an intersection of sports and society, sports and issues beyond the playing field. People who say otherwise are abjectly ignorant of history, going all the way back to Teddy Roosevelt and football, to Jack Johnson and the Great White Hope, to Jackie Robinson, Billie Jean King, [Tommie] Smith and [John] Carlos. You know the list. And so the idea that sports and politics do not intersect is insane. (...)
What did you think of Colin Kaepernick’s settling his lawsuit against the N.F.L.?
Some people may have misread what the settlement or the nondisclosure clause means. It does not mean that Kaepernick can’t speak out on social issues. It doesn’t mean that he can’t, if he should return to the field, take a knee if he feels like taking a knee. Unless there’s some secret clause that we as yet don’t know of, my read of it is that it’s a standard nondisclosure as to the terms of the settlement, but it certainly isn’t a gag order going forward.
Do you think it’s important that he keeps speaking out?
I think he should do whatever he feels comfortable doing, but I don’t think the following is a contradiction: you can recognize that he was interested in shining a light on an important issue, but many of his other proclamations made him a less than perfect messenger. Maybe that’s why it’s better that he’s essentially gone radio-silent, and there are images of him, and a notion of him that’s out there, that elevates him to hero status in some quarters.
But, when you look a little deeper, it doesn’t hold up as well when he says, I don’t vote, because the oppressor will never allow you to vote your way out of your oppression. So I guess it doesn’t matter to him that, when he first took a knee, Barack Obama was President, and now Donald Trump is President. If you praise Fidel Castro without reservation, or without nuance, if you wear socks that depict cops as pigs, I think you undermine your own credibility with reasonable people who are sympathetic to the issue that first brought you to public prominence. (...)
Do these things that you just brought up make you think that he should not be grouped with a number of other athletes throughout history whom you would probably think of as heroic political spokespeople?
Yeah. I was asked that when he first knelt. And I was asked about it by Michael Smerconish, going on two years ago.
Oh, God, I’m asking the same questions as Michael Smerconish.
No, it was just that one question. He asked me whether Kaepernick has gained that status, and it was in the same interview in which I said flatly it was clear that he was being blackballed. But, no, I would not put him with Muhammad Ali. I would not put him with Curt Flood. I wouldn’t put him with Arthur Ashe. I wouldn’t put him with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Did I say Billie Jean King?
No.
Yeah, I just think that, in the case of Ali or even Smith and Carlos, their impact was more profound, and I think if you talk about Ashe or Kareem or others, that they had a more sophisticated grasp of issues. And, in the case of Ali, he put so much more on the line.
Well, there’s no Vietnam War going on.
I think what Kaepernick did had a noble intent, and he deserves credit for that. I would just hesitate to elevate him into that pantheon. We have to see how this plays out, and we have to see whether he can articulate something that is more nuanced and more convincing than his original statement. If his original statement of kneeling and starting this movement is all he wants to do, then mission accomplished, and I applaud him for it. But that doesn’t mean that his every utterance is worthy of immediate agreement or everybody falling in line.
On the other hand, if any team over the last two years had signed Colin Kaepernick, although many of us would have supported that, there would have been huge outcries: “I’m burning my season tickets in front of the stadium. I’ll never go to another game. This is it. I can’t stand this. Screw him.” Yet, when domestic abusers or people with long rap sheets bounce from one team to another, there aren’t picket lines, by and large, outside the stadium. People are evidently more comfortable with literal criminals than they are with someone who protests peacefully and in a dignified way.
by Isaac Chotiner, New Yorker | Read more:
Image:Rich Schultz/Getty
